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#1 NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER • Everybody tells you to live for a cause larger than yourself, but how exactly do you do it? The author of  The Road to Character  explores what it takes to lead a meaningful life in a self-centered world.

“Deeply moving, frequently eloquent and extraordinarily incisive.”— The Washington Post

Every so often, you meet people who radiate joy—who seem to know why they were put on this earth, who glow with a kind of inner light. Life, for these people, has often followed what we might think of as a two-mountain shape. They get out of school, they start a career, and they begin climbing the mountain they thought they were meant to climb. Their goals on this first mountain are the ones our culture endorses: to be a success, to make your mark, to experience personal happiness. But when they get to the top of that mountain, something happens. They look around and find the view . . . unsatisfying. They realize: This wasn’t my mountain after all. There’s another, bigger mountain out there that is actually my mountain.

And so they embark on a new journey. On the second mountain, life moves from self-centered to other-centered. They want the things that are truly worth wanting, not the things other people tell them to want. They embrace a life of interdependence, not independence. They surrender to a life of commitment.

In The Second Mountain, David Brooks explores the four commitments that define a life of meaning and purpose: to a spouse and family, to a vocation, to a philosophy or faith, and to a community. Our personal fulfillment depends on how well we choose and execute these commitments. Brooks looks at a range of people who have lived joyous, committed lives, and who have embraced the necessity and beauty of dependence. He gathers their wisdom on how to choose a partner, how to pick a vocation, how to live out a philosophy, and how we can begin to integrate our commitments into one overriding purpose.

In short, this book is meant to help us all lead more meaningful lives. But it’s also a provocative social commentary. We live in a society, Brooks argues, that celebrates freedom, that tells us to be true to ourselves, at the expense of surrendering to a cause, rooting ourselves in a neighborhood, binding ourselves to others by social solidarity and love. We have taken individualism to the extreme—and in the process we have torn the social fabric in a thousand different ways. The path to repair is through making deeper commitments. In The Second Mountain, Brooks shows what can happen when we put commitment-making at the center of our lives.

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“David Brooks’s gift—as he might put it in his swift, engaging way—is for making obscure but potent social studies research accessible and even startling.”—The New York Times Book Review

“At his best, Brooks is a normative version of Malcolm Gladwell, culling from a wide array of scientists and thinkers to weave an idea bigger than the sum of its parts.”—USA Today

“Brooks’s considerable achievement comes in his ability to elevate the unseen aspects of private experience into a vigorous and challenging conversation about what we all share.”—San Francisco Chronicle

About the Author

David Brooks is one of the nation’s leading writers and commentators. He is an op-ed columnist for The New York Times and appears regularly on PBS NewsHour and Meet the Press. He is the bestselling author of The Road to Character; The Social Animal: The Hidden Sources of Love, Character, and Achievement; Bobos in Paradise: The New Upper Class and How They Got There; and On Paradise Drive: How We Live Now (and Always Have) in the Future Tense.


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Every once in a while, I meet a person who radiates joy. These are people who seem to glow with an inner light. They are kind, tranquil, delighted by small pleasures, and grateful for the large ones. These people are not perfect. They get exhausted and stressed. They make errors in judgment. But they live for others, and not for themselves. They’ve made unshakable commitments to family, a cause, a community, or a faith. They know why they were put on this earth and derive a deep satisfaction from doing what they have been called to do. Life isn’t easy for these people. They’ve taken on the burdens of others. But they have a serenity about them, a settled resolve. They are interested in you, make you feel cherished and known, and take delight in your good.

When you meet these people, you realize that joy is not just a feeling, it can be an outlook. There are temporary highs we all get after we win some victory, and then there is also this other kind of permanent joy that animates people who are not obsessed with themselves but have given themselves away.

I often find that their life has what I think of as a two-mountain shape. They got out of school, began their career or started a family, and identified the mountain they thought they were meant to climb: I’m going to be a cop, a doctor, an entrepreneur, what have you. On the first mountain, we all have to perform certain life tasks: establish an identity, separate from our parents, cultivate our talents, build a secure ego, and try to make a mark in the world. People climbing that first mountain spend a lot of time thinking about reputation management. They are always keeping score. How do I measure up? Where do I rank? As the psychologist James Hollis puts it, at that stage we have a tendency to think, I am what the world says I am.

The goals on that first mountain are the normal goals that our culture endorses—to be a success, to be well thought of, to get invited into the right social circles, and to experience personal happiness. It’s all the normal stuff: nice home, nice family, nice vacations, good food, good friends, and so on.

Then something happens.

Some people get to the top of that first mountain, taste success, and find it . . . unsatisfying. “Is this all there is?” they wonder. They sense there must be a deeper journey they can take.

Other people get knocked off that mountain by some failure. Something happens to their career, their family, or their reputation. Suddenly life doesn’t look like a steady ascent up the mountain of success; it has a different and more disappointing shape.

For still others, something unexpected happens that knocks them crossways: the death of a child, a cancer scare, a struggle with addiction, some life-altering tragedy that was not part of the original plan. Whatever the cause, these people are no longer on the mountain. They are down in the valley of bewilderment or suffering. This can happen at any age, by the way, from eight to eighty-five and beyond. It’s never too early or too late to get knocked off your first mountain.

These seasons of suffering have a way of exposing the deepest parts of ourselves and reminding us that we’re not the people we thought we were. People in the valley have been broken open. They have been reminded that they are not just the parts of themselves that they put on display. There is another layer to them they have been neglecting, a substrate where the dark wounds, and most powerful yearnings live.

Some shrivel in the face of this kind of suffering. They seem to get more afraid and more resentful. They shrink away from their inner depths in fear. Their lives become smaller and lonelier. We all know old people who nurse eternal grievances. They don’t get the respect they deserve. They live their lives as an endless tantrum about some wrong done to them long ago.

But for others, this valley is the making of them. The season of suffering interrupts the superficial flow of everyday life. They see deeper into themselves and realize that down in the substrate, flowing from all the tender places, there is a fundamental ability to care, a yearning to transcend the self and care for others. And when they have encountered this yearning, they are ready to become a whole person. They see familiar things with new eyes. They are finally able to love their neighbor as themselves, not as a slogan but a practical reality. Their life is defined by how they react to their moment of greatest adversity.

The people who are made larger by suffering go on to stage two small rebellions. First, they rebel against their ego ideal. When they were on their first mountain, their ego had some vision of what it was shooting for—some vision of prominence, pleasure, and success. Down in the valley they lose interest in their ego ideal. Of course afterward they still feel and sometimes succumb to their selfish desires. But, overall, they realize the desires of the ego are never going to satisfy the deep regions they have discovered in themselves. They realize, as Henri Nouwen put it, that they are much better than their ego ideal.

Second, they rebel against the mainstream culture. All their lives they’ve been taking economics classes or living in a culture that teaches that human beings pursue self-interest—money, power, fame. But suddenly they are not interested in what other people tell them to want. They want to want the things that are truly worth wanting. They elevate their desires. The world tells them to be a good consumer, but they want to be the one consumed—by a moral cause. The world tells them to want independence, but they want interdependence—to be enmeshed in a web of warm relationships. The world tells them to want individual freedom, but they want intimacy, responsibility, and commitment. The world wants them to climb the ladder and pursue success, but they want to be a person for others. The magazines on the magazine rack want them to ask “What can I do to make myself happy?” but they glimpse something bigger than personal happiness.

The people who have been made larger by suffering are brave enough to let parts of their old self die. Down in the valley, their motivations changed. They’ve gone from self-centered to other-centered.

At this point, people realize, Oh, that first mountain wasn’t my mountain after all. There’s another, bigger mountain out there that is actually my mountain. The second mountain is not the opposite of the first mountain. To climb it doesn’t mean rejecting the first mountain. It’s the journey after it. It’s the more generous and satisfying phase of life.

Some people radically alter their lives when this happens. They give up their law practices and move to Tibet. They quit their jobs as consultants and become teachers in inner-city schools. Others stay in their basic fields but spend their time differently. I have a friend who built a successful business in the Central Valley of California. She still has her business but spends most of her time building preschools and health centers for the people who work in her company. She is on her second mountain.

Still others stay in their same jobs and their same marriages, but are transformed. It’s not about self anymore; it’s about a summons. If they are principals, their joy is in seeing their teachers shine. If they work in a company, they no longer see themselves as managers but as mentors; their energies are devoted to helping others get better. They want their organizations to be thick places, where people find purpose, and not thin places, where people come just to draw a salary.

In their book Practical Wisdom, psychologist Barry Schwartz and political scientist Kenneth Sharpe tell a story about a hospital janitor named Luke. In the hospital where Luke worked, there was a young man who’d gotten into a fight and was now in a coma, and he wasn’t coming out. Every day, his father sat by his side in silent vigil, and had done so for six months. One day, Luke came in and cleaned the young man’s room. His father wasn’t there; he was out getting a smoke. Later that day, Luke ran into the father in the hallway. The father snapped at Luke and accused him of not cleaning his son’s room.

The first-mountain response is to see your job as cleaning rooms. “I did clean your son’s room,” you would snap back. “It was just that you were out smoking.” The second-mountain response is to see your job as serving patients and their families. It is to meet their needs at a time of crisis. That response says, This man needs comfort. Clean the room again.

And that’s what Luke did. As he told an interviewer later, “I cleaned it so that he could see me cleaning it. . . . I can understand how he could be. It was like six months that his son was there. He’d been a little frustrated, and I cleaned it again. But I wasn’t angry with him. I guess I could understand.”

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David Brooks

David Brooks

David Brooks is an op-ed columnist for The New York Times and appears regularly on “PBS NewsHour,” NPR’s “All Things Considered” and NBC’s “Meet the Press.” He teaches at Yale University and is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. He is the bestselling author of The Social Animal: The Hidden Sources of Love, Character, and Achievement; Bobos in Paradise: The New Upper Class and How They Got There; and On Paradise Drive: How We Live Now (And Always Have) in the Future Tense. He has three children and lives in Maryland.

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Haical Sajovic Haddad

Haical Sajovic Haddad

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Thoughtful reading for a more generous and satisfying life.

Reviewed in the United States on April 21, 2019

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Once I started reading the book, I had a hard time putting it down. The book was of great importance in understanding the phases of life, giving me a clear direction toward the second mountain. I decided to share a summary of the book to help you draw a more accurate opinion of the content.

Let me break the review down in 2 parts. First, I’ll share why I chose to read the book and some personal thoughts about the reading. Next, I hope to put together a brief summary from each chapter, including short excerpts highlighted while taking notes.

PERSONAL THOUGHTS

We know that following a natural eating plan, having restful nights of sleep, moving our physical bodies frequently, and even engaging on spiritual practices are all good ways to preserve our health. In addition to these aspects, a committed life to our vocation, family, and community is equally important to our overall wellbeing. I pre-ordered the book because I wanted to explore these commitments in greater detail so I can better contribute to our society.

Some of my favorite takeaways were: [1] an individualistic mindset can offer a series of experiences but they won’t fulfill us because these experiences aren’t serving a large cause; [2] the uncommitted person is the unremembered person; [3] when we reach out and build community, we nourish ourselves; [4] the completeness of a couple who have been together for years defines a happy marriage; [5] being alone in the wilderness brings an array of possibilities; and [6] the second mountain is a more generous and satisfying phase of life. Having said that, I decided to read it one more time before implementing some of the learnings.

SUMMARY

[Introduction] Right in the beginning we learn how to differentiate the mountains we are meant to climb in life. David starts off by saying that “if the first mountain is about building up the ego and defining the self, the second mountain is about shedding the ego and losing the self. If the first mountain is about acquisition, the second mountain is about contribution. If the first mountain is elitist—moving up—the second mountain is egalitarian—planting yourself amid those who need, and walking arm in arm with them.” He decided to study commitment on a continual effort to write his own way to a better life after having failed at significant commitments during his life. At the end of the introduction we explore the meaning of joy, the layers of joy, and the highest form of joy, which he calls the moral joy.

[Part I : The Two Mountains]

[Chapter 1] Our old moral ecology had a lot of virtues—emphasized by humility and reticence. However, as David explains, it had also failings, such as tolerance for racism and barriers against professional women, which ultimately made it intolerable. In the early 60s a more individualistic culture emerged, breaking through many of the chains that held down women and oppressed minorities. Despite that, “when individualism becomes the absolutely dominant ethos of a civilization—when it isn’t counterbalanced with any competing ethos—then the individuals within it may have maximum freedom, but the links between the individuals slowly begin to dissolve.”

[Chapter 2] Here we take a look at the ambiguity of freedom. The main message is that political freedom is great, but personal, social, and emotional freedom can be detrimental when they become the end goal. David says, “freedom is a river you want to get across so you can plant yourself on the other side—and fully commit to something.”

[Chapter 3] Now we shift gears toward workaholism, which can be surprisingly easy to become emotionally avoidant and morally decoupled, to gradually tamp down the highs and lows and simply live in neutral. The insecure overachiever, David writes, “never fully wills anything and thus is never fully satisfied.” Although his status is rising, the heart and the soul of an insecure overachiever are never fully engaged.

[Chapter 4] Using Leo Tolstoy as an example, who at some point felt sick of life and saw no point in it, David affirms that “wealth and fame and accomplishment don’t spare anybody from the valley.” Although there are people who go through life without ever stumbling into the valley, most of us have had to endure some season of suffering when we had to ask ourselves the fundamental questions. Suffering, according to David, comes in many forms—some may feel a gradual loss of enthusiasm in what they are doing, whereas others experience a dramatic crisis. Hyper-individualism, he continues, “has led to a society where people live further and further apart from one another—socially, emotionally, and even physically.” And that has produced 4 interrelated social crises. One by one, each crisis is explained in detail: [1] the loneliness crisis; [2] distrust; [3] the crisis of meaning; and [4] tribalism.

[Chapter 5] The right thing to do when we are in moments of suffering is to stand erect in the suffering. It is about understanding that our suffering is a task that, if handled correctly, will lead to enlargement, not diminishment. When we listen to our lives, according to David, we shed the old self so the new self can emerge. Going out alone into the wilderness is one of the smartest bet to change our experience of time because it teaches us “the ability to rest in the uncertainty, to not jump to premature conclusions.”

[Chapter 6] This chapter is about discovering the role of our heart and soul. Although we are taught by our culture that we are primarily thinking beings, when we are in the valley our view of what is important is transformed. As David puts, “we begin to realize that the reasoning brain is actually the third most important part of the consciousness.” The first and most important part is the desiring heart, and the second is the soul. We learn that our emotions aren’t the opposite of reason; they are the fountain of reason and often contain a wisdom the analytic brain can’t reach. In the valley, we “learn we aren’t just a brain and a set of talents to impress the world, but a heart and soul.”

[Chapter 7] Whereas earlier we explored the first mountain and the valley, now we focus on how a committed life will take us to the second mountain climb. David explains that commitments begin with some movement of the heart and soul, we “fall in love with a person or a cause or an idea, and if that love is deep enough, we decide to dedicate a significant chunk of our lives to it.” He adds that a commitment is making a promise to something without expecting a return. There may be a positive return from a commitment, but that isn’t why we make it.

[Chapter 8] Although there are many kinds of second-mountain people, they tend to share a lot of common values. David explains in detail that people living the second mountain: [1] have had a motivational shift in their lives; [2] have a desire to live in intimate relation with others to make a difference in the world; [3] are driven by a desire for belonging and generosity; [4] are attached to a particular place to devote themselves; [5] assume responsibility; [6] devote to radical hospitality; and [7] are extremely relational.

[Part II : Vocation]

[Chapter 9] In the vocation mentality, David explains, “you aren’t living on the ego level of your consciousness—working because the job pays well or makes life convenient. You are down in the substrate.” It is interesting to note that vocations have testing periods—periods when the costs outweigh the benefits—which we must go through to reach another level of intensity. At these moments, if we were driven by a career mentality we would quit. However, “a person who has found a vocation doesn’t feel she has a choice. It would be a violation of her own nature. So she pushes through when it doesn’t seem to make sense.”

[Chapter 10] Through a genuine example of how E. O. Wilson found nature at age 7 to become one of the most prominent naturalists, David explains that the annunciation moment happens when “something sparks an interest, or casts a spell, and arouses a desire that somehow prefigures much of what comes after in a life, both the delights and the challenges.” Although childhood annunciation moments are common, they also happen often in adulthood. The tricky part of an annunciation moment is not having it, but realizing we are having it. He says, “the best thing about an annunciation moment is that it gives you an early hint of where your purpose lies.”

[Chapter 11] This chapter focuses on the value of having good mentors. Good mentors, according to David, teach us the tactic wisdom embedded in any craft, how to deal with error, how to embrace the struggle , send us into the world and, in some sense, cut us off.

[Chapter 12] Here we take a close look at making transformational choices—the big commitments in life. All decisions involve a large measure of uncertainty about the future, but “what makes transformational choices especially tough is that you don’t know what your transformed self will be like or will want, after the vagaries of life begin to have their effects.” David explains that since every choice is a renunciation, or an infinity of renunciations, some of us are so paralyzed by big choices that we skip them. Through examples and advices, he shares ways to counterbalance these fears in order to make meaningful vocation decisions.

[Chapter 13] David starts by drawing a useful distinction, “a job is a way of making a living, but work is a particular way of being needed, of fulfilling the responsibility that life has placed before you.” All vocational work, no matter how deeply it touches us, involves those moments when are confronted by the laborious task. All real work, he adds, “requires a dedication to engage in deliberate practice, the willingness to do the boring things over and over again, just to master a skill.” He says that if we know what we want to do, just start doing it, “don’t delay because you think this job or that degree would be good preparation for doing what you eventually want to do.”

[Part III : Marriage]

[Chapter 14] Who we marry is one of the most important decisions we will ever make. David says that “passion peaks among the young, but marriage is the thing that peaks in old age.” One of the problems of the individualistic view, he points, is that “if you go into marriage seeking self-actualization, you will always feel frustrated because marriage, and specially parenting, will constantly be dragging you away from the goals of self.” Another problem is that the heart yearns to fuse with others, and it can only happen by transcending the self in order to serve the marriage. Although we see a general effort to scale marriage back and shrink it down to manageable size, David by no means forgets to discuss that “marriage works best when it is maximal.”

[Chapter 15] Here we explore the first stages of intimacy. David explains that it all starts with a single glance, which sparks the desire to know the other person, encouraging us to engage in a dialogue. He ends the chapter by affirming that “when you choose to marry someone, you better choose someone you will enjoy talking with for the rest of your life.”

[Chapter 16] Now we advance toward the next stages of intimacy. David describes it as the combustion of the relationship, “we are at the sunniest and most carefree stage of intimacy, the bright springtime when delight is at its peak without any of the urgent stakes that will come later.” It is the phase of peak idealization. At some point of the journey toward intimacy, we will eventually have a relationship-defining talk. This new layer of intimacy—that comes with responsibilities—is about unselfish actions. Forgiveness is key at any crisis that will occur after being around long enough to reveal our natural selves.

[Chapter 17] This chapter is dedicated to the marriage decision. David acknowledges that before making such a decision, we should step back and make an appraisal. He makes it clear that “everybody spends too much time appraising the other person when making marriage decisions, but the person who can really screw things up is you.” Based on that assumption, he shares questions for personal reflection. Once these questions are answered, he discusses the 3 lenses we may apply when making the rest of the marriage decision: [1] the psychological lens; [2] the emotional lens; and [3] the moral lens.

[Chapter 18] As a part of the marriage, David explains, “the only way to thrive is to become a better person—more patient, wise, compassionate, persevering, communicative, and humble.” Based on a wealth of knowledge supported by figures such as John Gottman, Gary Chapman, Alain de Botton, and Ayala Malach Pines, David explores a series of aspects to help us navigate through the ups and downs of our love relationships.

[Part IV : Philosophy And Faith]

[Chapter 19] David shares that his intellectual commitment was shaped during college days. He then explores how universities became diverse and pluralistic over the years, shifting from the more humanistic ideal to the research ideal. He argues that, “students are taught to engage in critical thinking, to doubt, distance, and take things apart, but they are given almost no instruction on how to attach to things, how to admire, to swear loyalty to, to copy and serve.” Last, David shares 6 intellectual virtues his professors taught him: [1] they welcomed the students into the tradition of long conversation; [2] they introduced a range of history’s moral ecologies to the students; [3] they taught them to see well to the thing they were looking at as itself, not just as a mirror of their own interests; [4] they taught them intellectual courage; [5] they gave them emotional knowledge to refine the feelings in certain situations; and [6] the professors gave students new things to love by exposing them to great masterpieces.

[Chapter 20] Mystical experiences, as David explains, “are moments when the shell of normal reality cracks, and people perceive some light from someplace beyond shining though.” Although these experiences often happen in nature, many history’s great figures had mystical experiences while in prison because “being imprisoned takes away everything else—material striving, external freedom, and busy schedules.” David shares Viktor Frankl’s dramatic experience in the Nazi concentration, where he concluded that the prisoners who survived of diseases or some breakdown were generally the ones that had some external commitment that they desired and pushed toward.

[Chapter 21] This is a long chapter, yet interesting. David walks us through his religious journey from childhood all the way to adulthood. He shows that our faiths, feelings, and struggles evolve over time. During the process of inner transformation, according to him, we don’t “really notice it day by day, but when I look back at who I was 5 years ago it is kind of amazing, as I bet it is for you in your journey. It is a change in the quality of awareness. It is a gradual process of acquiring a new body of knowledge that slowly, slowly gets stored in the center of your being.”

[Chapter 22] During his journey, he found out along the way that “religious people and institutions sometimes built ramps that made it easier to continue my journey, or they built walls, making the journey harder.” Based on that, he explores details of common ramps and walls we may encounter during our journey.

[Part V : Community]

[Chapter 23] Now we shift gears toward healthy communities. To better understand what a healthy community looks like, we first learn how social isolation can be detrimental to our communities and, at the end, to ourselves. David explains that community is “restored by people who are living on the second mountain, people whose ultimate loyalty is to others and not themselves.” Although building a community is a slow and complex process, David walks us though the first stages of community creation. Community renewal begins with commitment. Then, we have to fix the neighborhood as a whole instead of focusing on individuals one by one. From the diagnosis, we work on finding ways to bring the neighborhood together—“to replace distance with intimacy and connection.” Once people are gathered together, in some way or another, storytelling begins—“vulnerability is shared, emotions are aroused, combustion happens.”

[Chapter 24] David explains that a community is formed by a group of people organized around a common story. In addition to sharing a story, communities thrive through a set of local codes such as: [1] being proactive toward internal needs; [2] offering radical hospitality; [3] having a long-term commitment; and [4] sharing common norms and behaviors.

[Chapter 25] The last chapter is one of the best book conclusions I have ever read. To find belonging, meaning, and purpose we are encourage to “go deep into ourselves and find there our illimitable ability to care, and then spread outward in commitment to others.” David puts together the different elements of his argument in a manifesto form, divided in hyper-individualism, relationalism, the process of becoming a person, the good life, the good society, and a declaration of interdependence.

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Haical

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Robert B. Campbell

Robert B. Campbell

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A Hopeful Start

Reviewed in the United States on March 30, 2024

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This book is a vulnerable work by David Brooks that leads our society in the right direction. His vision is grand — that we can become better individuals and a stronger community. We need to follow this vision with more concrete examples of care for others and projects that serve to bring people together. This is an inspiring book.

Jerry

Jerry

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Fulfillment through independence woven in community

Reviewed in the United States on July 11, 2024

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A profoundly inspiring book that challenges the conventional notion of success and happiness. Through personal stories and insightful analysis, Brooks guides readers on a transformative journey towards a more meaningful and purposeful life. With its engaging writing style and profound wisdom, this book is a must-read for anyone seeking a deeper sense of fulfillment and connection.

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Joe DeCarlo

Joe DeCarlo

5

very enlightening

Reviewed in the United States on January 3, 2024

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Mr. Brooks gives us and enlightening very of the second stage of a moral life. The book is rich with advice stories and a pleasure to read. Well worth ones time

Max Beaumont

Max Beaumont

5

Life changing.

Reviewed in the United States on July 10, 2024

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Thank you for writing this book David. This is the kind of book that will leave a lasting mark on me.

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